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[Marvman]

Hey Tom,

Would you mind working up an index number for Lawn Lake? Just like it for COmparison purposes. Little over six miles, but the 2400 feet elevation gain has me worried. I have heard that it's not bad. I have made the trip in reverse, walking out after backcountry camping, but that was quite a few years ago.

Marvman

[Veik]

How did you get to the backCOuntry camp? Did you borrow DCM's magic boots again? The difficulty index is 17.9.

Here are some more details: Lawn Lake

[Marvman]

I looked at my current topo and I thought I was going nuts too! It doesn't show anything inter-COnnecting!

But if you look at the NPS trails maps, we went in at COw Creek trailhead, camped overnight at Tilston Meadows (upper) and then COntinued the next morning past the Lawn Lake Trail intersection to Lawn Lake, looked around and then came back down Lawn Lake trail to the Lawn Lake trailhead.

Btw, we did this in 1981. One year before the dam burst, created the Alluvial Fan and flooded Estes Park.

You really had me going there for a bit. Thought perhaps old-timers was creeping up on me!

Marvman

[Veik]

Btw, we did this in 1981. One year before the dam burst, created the Alluvial Fan and flooded Estes Park. 

Did you take a bunch of pictures? You could do some really good before and after pictures if you did. One thing that amazed me was how small the breech in the dam looked.

[AliceH]

Could you add CCY, and could you give me an idea of what mileage you're using to calculate it? I can't find a mileage for the round trip, I'm just finding mileage to each mountain. I don't think I want to hike back to the trailhead each time.

[Bill 007]

Could you add CCY, and could you give me an idea of what mileage you're using to calculate it? I can't find a mileage for the round trip, I'm just finding mileage to each mountain. I don't think I want to hike back to the trailhead each time.

Try this from the trail guide; Trail Guide: Ypsilon
I believe Tom has it figured for CCY and back.

Bill

[AliceH]

Try this from the trail guide; Trail Guide: Ypsilon
I believe Tom has it figured for CCY and back.

Bill

Thanks! I need to start checking over there more often; I only searched over here.

[Bill 007]

By the way - CCY is a great hike, you'll really love it! It's a nice little walk in the Park.

Bill

[AliceH]

Am I calculating this right?

We went from the Fern Lake TH to The Pool to Cub Lake to the Cub Lake TH, where our car was waiting for us.

Fern Lake TH to The Pool: 1.7 mi, 150 ft ascent

The Pool to Cub Lake: 1.2 mi, 320 ft ascent

Cub Lake to Cub Lake TH: 2.4 mi, 540 ft descent

The number I came up with was 6.4 - is this correct?

[Veik]

AliceH, on 03 July 2010 - 07:55 PM, said:

Am I calculating this right?

We went from the Fern Lake TH to The Pool to Cub Lake to the Cub Lake TH, where our car was waiting for us.

Fern Lake TH to The Pool: 1.7 mi, 150 ft ascent

The Pool to Cub Lake: 1.2 mi, 320 ft ascent

Cub Lake to Cub Lake TH: 2.4 mi, 540 ft descent

The number I came up with was 6.4 - is this correct?

That's about right given the numbers you listed. I think your elevation gains and losses are a little conservative though. You should probably add some to account for the ups and down's along the way. I'd probably bump that score up to 7.5 or so.

[AliceH]

Are you using the National Geographic Topo! map tools to adjust the elevation gains, or are you using another tool, or are you going by personal experience? I agree with you on the uppy-downy nature of the trail, especially from Cub Lake to the Cub Lake TH - the numbers I used were from the Foster book, but the hike from Cub Lake definitely has more uppy-downy than the 500 feet would lead one to believe.

I'm asking because a lot of the hikes we consider aren't on the list, but I've found what *is* on the list to be very helpful in estimating what my son will tolerate from a hike, so I thought I'd start calculating some of them on my own and posting them here for checking and adding to the list if you're so inclined.

[Veik]

I used a program called Terrain Navigator by Maptech. With that, you can trace trails and then it tells you the accumulated elevation gain and loss along the trail. Short of using a program, it's pretty tedious to figure out. The good thing is that a lot of trails are mostly an incline all the way to the destination, making them an easy calculation. Hats off to the guys who built those trails.